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haha this is great


Yeah it would be cool to make a VST version, a few people have asked for that. In the meantime it is possible to ouptut midi from LudoTune in the browser and connect it to a DAW via a virtual midi device.


Split view is an interesting idea, hadn't considered that. I was thinking of maybe a cinematic playback mode though where the camera rotates and you can switch to different angles. And yeah potentially some kind of piano roll representation could be cool to have alongside the 3D, so people can see (and maybe select / edit) cubes that way too. Not sure how to make a 3D piano roll though.


A few people have told me it reminds them of Orca, although I haven't tried it out yet myself: https://hundredrabbits.itch.io/orca


Ah I'm sorry you're having that problem. The audio is scheduled accurately with the web audio api (using Tone.js), but on some devices performance could still be an issue. The best experience is definitely with Chrome or Firefox on desktop/laptop (Safari or mobile devices may not work as well). If you think your device should be capable of running it smoothly (or the frame rate is good, but the audio isn't) it could help me out to know which OS and Browser you're using.


This link posted above stutters reliably on my box, always at the same spots: https://go.ludotune.com/hui4

Win10, FF 91.0.1 64-bit

Stutters at ~24 seconds, ~32, maybe 1:30ish, 5 seconds after that... then I lost track. Not very often but when it does it's very jarring. Happens if it's running in the foreground or background, even if I'm not moving around or anything, just listening with tab in focus.


Thanks for this! The detail is much appreciated, I'll investigate.


An idea is to have a lookahead buffer, if the simulation is causing the issue


Linux, firefox 91, gtx 1660 ti, ryzen 3550h.

I think it should run smooth because I can play minecraft at 1440p at around 100 fps.

For me the Mad World one stutters before a single note is played: the repeater/clock seems to run, then stop, then "catches up", then stutters again, then one cycle smooth, etc. Sometimes notes are also just skipped, or only the last part of the soundbite is played.

I looked at cpu usage and it pegs a single thread to about 90% so maybe that explains it.


Listen the fact you can get good and compatible experience on Tone.js at any level is hugely impressive!

I have given up on any Web Audio that is not a single AudioWorklet with some kind of self contained wasm ugen


I'm biased of course, but I think there are actually music-makers who enjoy novel and non-linear sequencers like this, particularly for idea generation / experimentation. Not saying it would have mainstream appeal, but there are considerations other than interpretability for some people. E.g. Conditional logic and probability cubes let you do things that can't be done on a normal piano roll. At least that's why I added MIDI output - for the people who want to connect it to their DAW or other MIDI device.


Hey everyone, I'm the developer. Thanks for the nice comments! Happy to answer any questions.


I love the visual elements that drag the music out of the audiospectrum. As a visual person this speaks to me so much more than the traditional 2D way of representing music. It's really cool to see songs visually laid out in a 3D space.

What was your original intent with this project? I feel this would work very well for educational aspects, slightly comparable to sonic-pi, especially when it comes to how easy it is to make something nice.


Thanks that's great to hear! Initially I thought it would be a game/toy just because I personally thought it would be fun to build and share music like this. The bulk of early users seem to enjoy it just for this as well, although I have had some requests to add more utility for music-makers (some want a LudoTune VST and others potentially a desktop or iPad app). The educational angle has also been brought up a few times and I think that'd be great, so I'll probably be exploring that further too.


Former DAW developer here and Minecraft player here. This is a work of art. Really well done.


just want to say it's super cool and thanks for adding it to our world!


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