18 U.S.C. § 2311 defines "money" in the context of stolen property as:

> the legal tender of the United States or of any foreign country, or any counterfeit thereof

Bitcoin has, at times, met this standard by being the legal tender of a foreign country.

Wait, does that mean that counterfeit money is legally money in the US?

For the purpose of charging someone with a crime under 18 U.S.C. Chapter 113, yes.

There's no contradiction; ad blocker usage is common within the industry.

There certainly is a contradiction, but it's so deeply ingrained that using ad blockers is OK that people can't see it even when it's right in front of their faces.

If everyone used 100% effective ad blockers, Alphabet (minus GCP) and Meta would not exist, and nor would the very large number of free-as-in-beer services that make up a large part of what makes the internet useful to people.

> If everyone used 100% effective ad blockers, Alphabet (minus GCP) and Meta would not exist

Sounds incredible. How do we make this paradise happen?

Remember the part about all the free-as-in-beer stuff on the internet that people find really useful, and that wouldn't exist if not for ads?

That stuff doesn't depend on Alphabet and Meta specifically. It depends on ads. No ads = no that stuff. Are you happy for it to all disappear?

What about all the free-as-in-beer stuff that doesn't depend on ads? Like, er, this site?

For Meta specifically, what exactly would be so bad about all their stuff disappearing? I can't think of much. Messenger is the only thing of theirs that has any value as far as I can see, and there's many alternatives now.

Demur. RayBan Meta and Oakley Meta glasses are fantastic devices.

I'd rather have five or ten smaller competing companies getting various deals from the glasses manufacturers than a couple huge companies getting them all.

Mostly because I don’t believe anything of value would actually be lost (note you provided no examples and I’m not sure any exist), that also sounds incredible. So again, how do we make this no-ads paradise happen?

I wout be absolutely delighted for it to all disappear and for the internet to go back to being only for enthusiasts again

It's not free, we pay for it with our attention. I'd rather pay with money.

How does my attention, the time I spend reading news.ycombinator.com, pay for the site? I DON'T run an ad blocker, but I am not watching any ads here.

HN regularly runs ads for YC companies. https://news.ycombinator.com/jobguide.html

HN is a recruitment tool for Y Combinator. Someone is paying for it with their attention.

Did you think they are running it out of the goodness of their heart?

The internet worked before everything was plastered with ads.

> nor would the very large number of free-as-in-beer services that make up a large part of what makes the internet useful to people.

Whatever replaced them could hardly be worse than the shit we currently have. I refuse to believe we live in a global maximum.

You could be right, but I personally am much more comfortable paying with a few milliseconds of my attention for news/email/short comedy clips/timezone conversion/etc. than even a single cent of actual money. And it has to be one or the other -- right?

Of course you are, that's why we are in this Faustian bargain. It's hard to compete with free-as-in-beer.

>than even a single cent of actual money.

I think we often pay those cents without knowing. Companies we employ or purchase from despite never having been subject to their adspend, etc

Registries have always had the ability to revoke number assignments; RPKI just makes this revocation slightly more forceful. You're going to have a bad time announcing prefixes that don't belong to you, even in the absence of RPKI.

We're all internetworking at the pleasure of IANA. Getting them out of the picture, and removing their ability to deplatform Internet participants, is a much larger task than just moving away from RPKI. We'd need to completely rethink how ASN and IP assignments are done.

Registries have tended to leave existing registration data alone in case of a situation like sanctions. They won't let you register more numbers, nor will they deregister them. If you just need the numbers, that's fine. If you also depend on the registry regularly taking data updates from you, that's a problem.

If we had to live with this rule during the "classic" Mac era, it would have disallowed HyperCard.

It has a long way to go, in the same sense that ROA had a long way to go when Cloudflare first launched this site in 2020. ASPA records are fully supported by both RIPE and ARIN these days.

RPKI isn't just ROAs anymore, and BGP hijacks can happen at other places than just the first/last hop. Why hasn't this site been updated to test ASPA-invalid prefixes in addition to ROA-invalid ones?

ReactOS did this without any need for an LLM.

No they didn't. It would be copyright washing if someone contributed to ReactOS who remembered large portions of the Windows code and wrote the ReactOS implementations based on that.

1 house is built. Alice wants to own it to live in it. Bob wants to own it to rent it to Alice. 2 people want to own the house.

> 2 people want to own the house.

and so how do you decide who gets it?

1) morally. Alice deserves it because her intention is more pure.

2) financially. Bob gets it, because he can pay more for it than alice.

Which choice above you make as a policy direction is a reflection of your world view. I'm voting for 2), but i can understand the POV of 1), even tho i disagree with it.

You are entirely missing the point. The correct answer is to build 2 houses. The problem with these policies is that they artificially restrict demand. If they didn't do that, nobody would have a problem with them.

> The correct answer is to build 2 houses

the utopian answer is to build two houses. But we don't live in utopia.

The constraints faced today is real (paper or physical). You can't wish it away, and you can't say it's "easier" to just build two houses.

So build 2 houses.

> All money is debt.

This is true for currently popular monies, but is not inherently true. Is a gold coin a debt instrument?

> Is a gold coin a debt instrument?

It is if you lend or borrow it or use it as collateral.

So no, not all gold coins are debt.

Or yes, some gold coins are debt.

Forbid the "yes", keep the "no".

The CSS :target pseudo-class is useful in situations like this. HN could do something like:

  p:target { border: 1px dashed; }