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Does it still have the issue of failing "open to the world" if the x-pack trial expires? See: https://discuss.elastic.co/t/ransom-attack-on-elasticsearch-...


As an alternative, there's an open-source OpenDistro for ElasticSearch [1] that offers X-Pack-like security with some other X-Pack-like features. Although it is not officially supported by elastic.co, but it's a pretty good alternative and is supported by Netflix, Amazon, et all. Worth giving a try.

[1] https://opendistro.github.io/for-elasticsearch/


> ... supported by Netflix, Amazon, et all

So in case I'm stuck I can pay Netflix to help me?


X-Pack Auth is now free and included with Elasticsearch.


According to the docs, it's a 30-Day trial: https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/curr...

Are these docs out-of-date ? Does anyone know if any features remain after 30 days if you do not subscribe ?


”If you want to try all of the X-Pack features”

It’s quite confusing. There are different tiers of X-Pack: https://www.elastic.co/subscriptions

The Basic tier, which is free, supports simple username and password authentication.


Yeah, I read this link also - before posting above. There is no 'username' or 'password' term on that page - nor any positive checkmark in any security column for the open-source tier.

'Basic' tier does have 'File and Native Authentication'. But it is far from clear what that means.

More importantly, in several different places that _are_ clear about security in the Elastic documentation, it repeatedly says "there is no security", "assume anyone who can reach elastic is a superuser" ... and more ...

So if that is not true, the documentation should probably change ...


(Disclosure, I work for Elastic)

It's definitely complicated, and can be quite confusing due to the number of subscription tiers, the ambiguity around terminology, and historical documentation.

We need need to find a way to bring more clarity to the documentation, and we try, but the subscriptions page, in particular, is very difficult. It's already very long, so we don't want to add detailed explanations to individual points but it's hard to find short sentences that are both accurate and well understood by a variety of audiences.

To be clear:

- There is no security in Open Source elasticsearch.

- There is security in the free "basic" license. It is, at the time of writing, disabled by default.

- Early versions of Elasticsearch had no security at all.

- The security product that we (Elastic) produced was exclusively a paid feature for many years

- The core security features (authentication, users management, role based access control) have been free in the basic license since May of last year. https://www.elastic.co/blog/security-for-elasticsearch-is-no...

- If you download the latest version of the Elastic-licensed distribution of Elasticsearch (which is the default download if you get it from our website or package repositories), you get a version on which you can enable security, free of charge, without needing to register, with no expiry.

The only documentation I found which says "there is no security", etc is from old blog articles (e.g. this one from 2013 https://www.elastic.co/de/blog/found-elasticsearch-security). We don't do a great job of indicating that the information on those articles is out of date.


Thank you for chiming in and clarifying. I was thinking of that 2013 page specifically - good to know it is now out of date.


PS: I work at Elastic.co.

At any point of time, if you feel that docs are not appropriate kindly raise a issue in https://github.com/elastic/docs. You could also consider contributing to docs. Appreciate it!

Other than that, we have a very live discourse forum. You can also put up all sort of questions discuss.elastic.co.

Still want a more real time chat, you can join slack group too ela.st/slack.


I haven't seen anywhere in the documentation that claims "assume anyone who can reach elastic is a superuser".

The Elasticsearch Security documentation appears to be up to date and has notes on if certain features depend on a subscription. https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/curr...


"Elasticsearch has no concept of a user. Essentially, anyone that can send arbitrary requests to your cluster is a “super user”. "

https://www.elastic.co/de/blog/found-elasticsearch-security

This document says it twice verbatim - once as an emphasizes blurb of its own. It is also re-emphasized it in several other ways.

(same link as also posted by the Elasticsearch employee above).


I'm the lead engineer for Elasticsearch security.

I'm sorry - I have never seen that specific post on our forums before, but the poster was mistaken and by not correcting it at the time, we have allowed incorrect information to perpetuate.

In versions where security was a paid feature, if a trial license expired, security would remain enabled, but certain operations would be rejected for all users (per the warning text "Cluster health, cluster stats and indices stats operations are blocked")

We intentionally did not open the cluster to be world readable/writable. The administrator would be left with a cluster that was secure, but blocked access to some functions that are necessary for running a production cluster. It was up to them to explicitly upgrade to a paid license and re-enable those APIs, or downgrade to a "basic" license which required acknowledgement that security would be disabled.

An example (this is from 6.7.0 because it's the newest version I have installed at the moment, where security was not free. This was true at the time the original forum post was written - I just tested 5.2.0 as well, and the results are the same, with slightly different error messages):

License state:

   license [fc5bee69-f086-4989-a32a-5db329692363] mode [trial] - valid
  license [fc5bee69-f086-4989-a32a-5db329692363] - expired
  recovered [1] indices into cluster_state
  LICENSE [EXPIRED] ON [SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 28, 2019].

Curl without credentials:

  curl http://localhost:9200/
  {"error":{"root_cause":[{"type":"security_exception","reason":"missing authentication token for REST request [/]","header":{"WWW-Authenticate":["ApiKey","Basic realm=\"security\" charset=\"UTF-8\""]}}],"type":"security_exception","reason":"missing authentication token for REST request [/]","header":{"WWW-Authenticate":["ApiKey","Basic realm=\"security\" charset=\"UTF-8\""]}},"status":401}%
Curl with credentials:

  curl -u elastic http://localhost:9200/
  Enter host password for user 'elastic':
  {
    "name" : "node1",
    "cluster_name" : "es-670",
    ...
Blocked cluster health:

  curl -u elastic http://localhost:9200/_cluster/health
  Enter host password for user 'elastic':
  {"error":{"root_cause":[{"type":"security_exception","reason":"current license is non-compliant for [security]","license.expired.feature":"security"}],"type":"security_exception","reason":"current license is non-compliant for [security]","license.expired.feature":"security"},"status":403}
Logs:

  blocking [indices:monitor/stats] operation due to expired license. ...

However, as mentioned by other sibling comments, security has been included in the free license since May last year, so as far as security is concerned, there is no longer a choice to make when a trial expires.

(Disclosure, as mentioned at the top, I work for Elastic)


We were hit by this on Kibana 6.x as I didn't read the x-pack trial properly. I thought at least login would be there. My bad. We added Nginx auth after that.

But x-pack security is actually free from some point release in version 7. Though x-pack is not open source, just free to use. So our nginx Kibana auth is still there.


Xpack's basic features come builtin in latest Elasticsearch - trial is for a separate set of features.




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