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Both Swiss and German people seem completely deluded about the activities of their own governments and intelligence agencies.


You gonna have to be a bit more specific than that.

When I think "Swiss", "Germany" and "government intelligence agencies" then the things that come to my mind are Crypto AG [0], how the BND started out as a CIA OP [1] and how the very same BND seems to be more interested in pleasing American interests than protecting Germans [2].

Which is btw the same BND who cooperates with the NSA [3] to help them tap directly into one of the world's largest IXP De-CIX, completely legal in Germany [4].

The US made sure of that by pressuring the West German government into watering down the G-10 law [5] during the cold war.

So whatever "delusions" you are referring there to, you have to be a bit more concrete about them.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/11/crypto-ag-ci...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Organization

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Examples_of_industrial...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eikonal

[4] https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/de-cix-betreiber...

[5] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/document/activities/cont/2014...


Why tho? Do you think German citizens have more privacy in Germany than in the US, where the US legislature clearly states that non US citizens have zero privacy rights whatsoever?

I don't think it's delusion, I think it is literally correct.




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