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Fortunately we have these things called "science" and "math" and we have no trouble quantifying these things. Or are you suggesting that there is literally only ONE child in the entire world that is not vaccinated? I'm not sure this is making any sense, to be honest. We have a lot data about times when vaccines did not exist. We have a lot of data about what happened after there was widespread vaccinations. We also have data now about significant numbers of people following an actress' decision to not vaccinate and the resulting emergence of infections.

I don't think anyone is being irrational or hyperbolic. I think it is irrational to compare antivaccinationism with anticircumcisionism. That is just outlandish.



Your tone is sarcastic, but I'll try to explain again.

I'm not suggesting only one child in the world is unvaccinated, that would be absurd.

I'm suggesting that if the unvaccinated child never contracts the disease, then there's no harm, right? And if the unvaccinated kid gets it, but doesn't pass it to anybody, no harm no foul again. (To others, that is, which is what we're really discussing as far as first amendment limits right? My fist-throwing rights ends just before your nose)

So what I'm saying is, it's difficult to quantify the expected value of real-life situations because there are so many variables and direct and indirect effects, and because of that difficulty it's easy for many people to ignore relative probability altogether and go with their gut reaction, and that's a mistake, because the relative probability of harm coming from a person choosing not to vaccinate their child is a relatively rare event... and so in light of other very rare events, that we nevertheless do not have much of a problem with (like allowing families with children to have wood fireplaces or trampolines or swimming pools), then maybe, just MAYBE, parents who don't vaccinate are not really that harmful and it's not worth overriding individual choice, even though we all agree that the smart choice is to vaccinate.

Any better?

I'd love you see you quantify the relative probability of all those events with your "math" though, since you say it's so easy. :)


We can base it on the consequences. If someone dies from an outbreak, and an unvaccinated person is found to be a vector, they are guilty of involuntary manslaughter. Hopefully the prospect of that is enough of an incentive.




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